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The Crime & Security Bill

(20/11/09)

The current government has decided to pass more laws relating to air guns in a Crime and Security Bill.
Some details of the Bill have now been published at The Crime & Security Bill. and – if you wish – you can follow the progress of the bill at Crime and Security Bill 2009-10 This includes a nifty way of getting details of that progress sent to you by e-mail as it happens. More importantly, it gives you a way to let YOUR opinions be known – but if you’re going to take that route you should be VERY sure to make a polite, properly spelt, grammatically correct and carefully thought-out submission. Do NOT ask rhetorical questions. (eg: “Who do you think this is going to help?” or “How can this be any good?”) A bad submission will not help our cause, so you would be best to take advice before taking this route. HERE you’ll find some help and advice to help with the format of your submission, and how to submit it to parliament. This is a very powerful tool – and like any power, it should be used with care and not abused.

RESTRICTIONS ON AIR GUNS

(18/11/09)

We understand that the Queen's speech has included a measure to ensure that airguns are stored securely.
This seems very sensible on the face of it - but how to you do that? Will this mean gun cabinets for air guns? Who will be the person prosecuted for leaving a gun "out of security"? What will be considered "secure storage", and by whom?

Many questions - few answers.

See THE BBC WEBSITEunder the "Crime and Security Bill."

To quote "Brings in a legal requirement to store air guns safely."

18/11/09 - 16:00 - See Leader of the House of Commons Site For a little more detail - not much, but it's something. It does seem to give us some room for manoeuvre - and there is the chance that there will not be sufficient time to get this into law, or that the next government finds more important things to do.

BASC press release 18/11/09
Airgun safety is a matter of common sense.
Britain’s largest shooting organisation says airgun safety should be a matter of common sense rather than legislation. Responding to the Government’s proposal in the Queen’s speech to draft a law to ensure that airguns are stored securely out of the reach of children, the British Association for Shooting and Conservation (BASC) said airgun safety is a matter of good sense and good practice and all legitimate users of airguns are aware of safety precautions including access and storage.

Bill Harriman, BASC’s Director of Firearms, said:

“It is regrettable that a small number of incidents of abuse and carelessness have prompted government action. However, even a single accident is one too many and BASC understands public concern and will support measures which will reduce the misuse of airguns while not impinging on the practices of safe and law-abiding airgun users.”

“We have been discussing this matter with government for some time, and have represented the views of responsible airgunners in a constructive meeting with the Home Office minister Alan Campbell. We are awaiting detailed guidance on the proposal from the Home Office, but anticipate legislation which, if parliamentary time allows, would place a responsibility on airgun owners to take reasonable precautions to keep them safely stored and out of the reach of children. This is a common sense approach and one which will already be followed by the vast majority of airgun users.”


There are estimated to be at least six million airguns in the UK and the proportion of accidents is very small. Airguns are commonly used for pest control in situations where they offer an effective method of humane control with minimal disturbance and risk to safety. Airguns are widely used in target shooting sports and the sale and use of airguns is already well regulated.

ENDS For more information please contact the BASC press office on 01244 573031

(19/11/09 - 08:55)
I have also had information that it is likely that the bill will be published very soon, if not today (19/11/09) which is bad news. If what I hear is correct, it will basically make it an offence for "a person in possession of an air weapon to fail to take reasonable precautions to prevent any person under the age of eighteen from having the weapon with him" except in certain circumstances, such as at a club etc.
Note that someone under 18 does not have to have actually taken possession of an air gun.

(19/11/09 12:30)
We now understand that the bill will be published on Friday 20th November.

MORE ON THE OLYMPIC SHOOTING VENUE

(6/11/09)

On 4/11/09 John Cruddas MP asked the Minister for the Olympics, Tessa Jowell What assessment she has made of the cost-effectiveness shooting sports part of the Olympics at the Royal Artillery barracks at Woolwich. Her reply was that

"it would not be appropriate to publish commercially sensitive budget and cost information as the procurement for the facilities required for hosting shooting events has not yet begun."

Yet see - costs for the Olympic Park - including roof trusses.
Do you think that has answered the question? Is there something we should know?

LUCKY THIRTEEN

(6/11/09)

It seems that 13 people have been selected as potential pistol competitors for the London Olympics.
Tobias Ellwood, the Shadow Minister for Culture, Media and Sport asked Alan Campbell, (the parliamentary under-secretary for the Home Office)
"How many permits under section 5 of the Firearms Act 1968 have been issued in the UK to those wishing to represent their country [at pistol shooting] at the London 2012 Olympics."
The reply was thirteen.

NOT what we wanted to hear

(18/10/09)

  • "The Royal Artillery Barracks at Woolwich is confirmed as the venue for Olympic and Paralympic Shooting and Paralympic Archery. The Olympic Delivery Authority will submit a planning application for Woolwich in next few weeks."
Great: The one Olympic venue that all of the shooting sports in the UK DIDN'T want. This looks like pure arrogance on the part of the London Olympic Organising Committee.
I wonder if there is any chance of planning permission being rejected?

FROM PHOENIX TO MOSTYN

(24/09/09)

We've just put a press release out to the Wirral Globe newspaper - see From Phoenix to Mostyn. and THANK YOU to everyone who so kindly contributed towards the gun - it really has been greatly appreciated by the kids.

POLICE NIL, SHOOTERS ONE

(24/09/09)

Dale Barnard was out pigeon shooting safely and on land where he had permission to shoot, when he was approached by a policewoman who told him he was committing an offence by shooting too near a road, and then prosecuted him for an offence under the Highways Act 1980.

It is an offence to shoot within 50ft of the centre of a highway IF by so doing, a user of the highway is injured, interrupted or endangered.
There was no injury, endangerment or interruption in this case - something the police and the Crown Prosecution Service seemed to have forgotten. When the case went for a pre-trial hearing the judge threw it out, (with costs) after hearing from Bridge McFarland Solicitors. The Judge also made the point that if the police delayed returning Mr Barnard's guns, it would be "more than churlish" of them.

For the full details see Bridge McFarland Solicitors press release.

THAMES VALLEY SHOOTING UPDATE

(24/09/09)

Thames Valley Police have just been fined £40,000:00, with 25,000:00 costs at Southwark Crown Court for a breach of Health & Safety rules after an instructor "accidentally" (!?) shot a member of staff with a .44 Magnum revolver.

A Thames Valley Police firearms instructor had "mistakenly" loaded a Magnum .44 revolver with a live round from a sweet tin, then pulled the trigger while pointing it at a colleague during a classroom tutorials.
The instructor was fined £8,000:00 with a further £8,000:00 costs.

The victim - a phone operator who used to shoot for Britain, underwent five hours of surgery for damage to his bowels and a kidney, as well as lung and liver damage; he was unconscious for 12 days.

Judge Nicholas Loraine-Smith said:

"The firearms training manual specifically states every gun should be treated as loaded. No gun should be pointed at anyone unless you intend to shoot them. These rules, I would have assumed, would have been paramount and instinctive to firearms instructors. However, these rules were not adhered to as absolutely as they should have been. Different instructors interpreted the rules differently."

That last sentence beggars belief - how do you the police interpret that rule differently?

MORE POLITICAL SUPPORT

(24/09/09)

At the Liberal Democrat party Annual conference this year, the shadow Secretary of State for the Home Department, Chris Huhne MP, said:
  • “As a party, we are absolutely committed to the rural economy. Rural activities are absolutely essential and we as a party should not obstruct shooting and fishing, but help to develop them... as a party we can make decisions and take votes which go towards helping countryside sports such as shooting and promoting the responsible use of guns.”
Well, at least it's positive rather than the usual negative response.

TELL US ABOUT GUN SAFETY

(21/09/09)

Imagine - you've been asked to give a lecture on gun identification at work, so you get a "Quality Street" tin full of ammunition, and lock it in your porch overnight.

You then go to the lecture where you are speaking to 11 people all sitting in a horshoe shape around you, and you load a round into a revolver - dummy, of course. You then pull the trigger several times to show how the gun operates - with the gun pointing at one of the people in the course.

Would you do any of these?

  • Leave ammunition in your porch
  • Load ammuntiton without knowing whether it was dummy or "live"
  • Pointing a gun at anyone
  • Load any ammunition in these circumstances
  • Pull the trigger whilst pointing the gun at anyone

This is what happened in Thames Valley Police on May 30th 2007, but the gun went "bang" resulting in some extremely serious injuries to an innocent member of staff. Both the officer concerned and the Thames Valley Police have pleaded guilty to health & safety offences recently.

Well if it can happen to "professionals" I suppose it can happen to us.......

THE OLYMPIC SHOOTING VENUE ARGUMENT RUMBLES ON

(21/09/09)

It seems that the "anywhere but Bisley" argument about the venue for the Olympic Shooting sport is still rumbling on.
Boris Johnson wants shooting to be at Barking, as opposed to the current Woolwich site, which has been condemned by just about everyone BUT the London Olympic Organising Committee. There is an article in the "Guardian" which explains much.

DURHAM

(10/09/09)

Two Police officers in Durham have been charged with theft and misconduct in public office.
It is alleged that guns which had been handed to the police for disposal had been sold to other certificate holders.
We have heard of cases where firearms enquiry officers have told certificate holders that if they didn't get rid of a number of guns, they would be forced to have a specialist alarm system as it was "force policy." Could this have been the case in Durham? I'm sure it wasn't.

IS NATSS DEAD ?

(09/09/09)

The Clay Pigeon Association (CPSA) have decided to withdraw from the National Association of Target Shooting Sports (NATSS) discussions. (See their CPSA press release.)
They say this is "due to the slow progress" and "The end of funding."
Whilst they say they will continue to work with the National Rifle Association and the National Small-Bore Rifle Association, it would seem that NATSS - having run out of the money for consultants for the project, may well be dead in the water now.

WHAT A SAD WORLD WE LIVE IN

(09/00/09)

Guy Button - a music teacher who gave his father a pistol in hospital so he could kill himself, has been sentenced to three years in prison.

He gave a Walther PPK to his 63-year-old father in a hospital ward at Northampton General Hospital in October last year so that his father could end his own life.

His father was suffering from terminal lung disease, and his wife was in a care home suffering from Alzheimer's Disease.
His father has wanted to join her in the home but couldn't sell their family home to provide money for the care home.

So the Father's dead, the mothers ill in a care home, and the judicial system puts the son in prison. Why? Because he had a pistol in the hospital. As a PERSONAL comment - I fail to see how the family or the public are served by this. I'm sad for the world we live in.

SOUTH YORKSHIRE LETTER TO CERTIFICATE HOLDERS

(30/07/09)

If you are one of the "lucky" recipients of a letter from South Yorkshire Police recently, this may be of interest to you....

BASC tackles South Yorkshire Police over unhelpful letter

BASC has criticised South Yorkshire Police for sending a letter to certificate holders in the county advising them to leave their gun cabinet keys with a friend if they are going away on holiday. The advice in the letter goes against Home Office Firearm Security Guidance. Compliance with this guidance is important for all firearms owners because non-compliance can put your certificate at risk.

BASC’s director of communications, Christopher Graffius, said:

“I was surprised by the letter and it is worrying that a police force should issue advice which is contrary to the Home Office guidance. We have spoken to South Yorkshire Police and have made the point that it would have been sensible for them to have consulted us on the content of the letter before sending it out. We have already received many calls from worried members and I can well understand their concern and distress over this letter.”

South Yorkshire Police say they sent the letter because there have been a number of gun thefts from certificate holders’ homes. BASC has submitted a Freedom of Information request to establish the exact number of such thefts.

Mike Eveleigh, BASC senior firearms officer, said:

“It is a shame that this letter has been sent as it is a blot on the otherwise good record of service of the South Yorkshire Firearms Licensing department.”

SHOOTING CLUB SCAM

(15/07/09)

We've received the following e-mail:

From: owen.smith31(AT)gmail.com
Subject: INQUIRIES FOR GUN SHOOTING...
To: owen.smith31(AT)gmail.com
Date: Tuesday, 14 July, 2009, 7:33 PM

TRIPOD CONSULTING COMPANY.
12 PETERS LANE, COWCROSS STREET ,
EC1M 6DS UNITED KINGDOM .
WEBSITE: www.tripodconsulting.com
EMAIL: owen.smith31(AT)gmail.com

DEAR,

I AM MR OWEN SMITH OF TRIPOD CONSULTING COMPANY. WE WILL BE COMING FOR GUN SHOOTING TRAINING IN YOUR CENTER.AND WE ARE JUST A BEGINNER'S. WE ARE IN NUMBER 10 ADULTS, AND WE ARE TO SPEND 5 DAY'S.ALSO WE WILL BE SPENDING 1 HOURS DAILY FOR THE TRAINING. PLEASE GET BACK TO ME WITH THE RATE PER PERSON, YOUR PROFESSIONAL ADVICE NEEDED.TRAINING START AS FROM 21 TO 25 OF August.

ARRIVAL DATE: 20 August 2009.

DEPARTURE DATE: 26 August 2009.

PLEASE CHECK THE AVAILABILITY AND GET BACK TO ME WITH THE TOTAL COST FOR ALL THE 10 ADULT IN 5 DAY'S OF OUR TRAINING.

REGARDS,
MR OWEN SMITH.

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(Note: I've deliberately changed the @ for (AT) to avoid anyone accidentally clicking on the address - and that the company mentioned exists, but has no connection with the person sending the e-mail.)

This is a scam which has been operating for some time with hotel, B&Bs, wedding services etc as the targets, but now it seems that we are seen as a new set of dupes. See False accommodation scams.

I'm sure no target shooting club would ever fall for this, but we're letting you know just in case the scam gets more refined, and less obvious.

As we understand it, the scam works like this - The hotel or club replies with their rates, whereupon the scammer books a room or range day using a fraudulent card. The scammer then almost immediately cancels, (or reduces the booking numbers, or "accidentally overpays") and requests a refund, which the hotel or club repays in good faith, only to find that the original transaction was fraudulent, so they've refunded money they didn't receive.

Even if you are not taken in, simply replying shows the scammer that your e-mail address is "live" and that you answer your e-mails, so it is likely that your e-mail address will be sold on to other scammers.


A familiar face - again ?

(20/07/09)

Have a look at the CLA Gamefair 2009 Site, and if you watch the "Trade & Press Info" banner at the top you will see someone you know well.


More on the Scottish anti-airgun campaign

(06/07/09)

Kenny MacAskill has sent out this Press release about the next phase in their campaign relating to air guns. You'll see that it seems to have been broadened now to include ALL firearms legislation.

BASC opposes devolution of airgun law

(22/06/09)

STOP PRESS - there's now an on-line petition at Scottish gun ban petition which you may wish to sign.

BASC press release
18 June 2009……………………………………………….immediate release

The British Association for Shooting and Conservation (BASC) will oppose any move – as suggested by the Calman Commission – to devolve power over airgun law to Scotland. The current government in Westminster has resisted all calls to devolve firearms legislation. BASC has been involved in the discussions and is currently meeting Conservative Shadow Ministers to confirm the Party’s policy in the event of a change of government. BASC has consistently opposed devolution of firearms law and maintains that different legal regimes across the UK would create confusion, compromise law enforcement, do nothing for public safety and disadvantage the law abiding shooting community.

BASC director of firearms, Bill Harriman, said:

“The call for devolution of firearms control powers is an overtly political initiative that is not evidentially based. Scottish statistics show a low level of firearms incidents, which are in decline. Education and enforcement of existing legislation is undoubtedly the best way to address any problems.”

The vast majority of people who use airguns do so lawfully and there are already sufficient powers available to deal with the small minority who break the law. BASC believes that a new airgun law that only applies in Scotland will be almost impossible to enforce, and BASC will strongly argue against it.

ENDS

For more information please contact the BASC press office on 01244 573031


The British Code of Advertising Practice lumps shooting in with prostitution and pornography- and this is our response. Phoenix Shooters Association's response to the BCAP consultation


RIFLES FOR SALE(16/3/09)

.308” Win CZ550 American Bolt-action Brand new!
American pattern, with polished walnut stock and detachable magazine £605-00

.223” Rem Remington 700 Classic De Luxe Bolt-action Brand new!
Walnut stock with stainless steel fluted barrel Bolt-action £695-00

.243”Win Mannlicher SSG Police. Synthetic stock, bull barrel. With scope. Used £750-00

.357” mag Winchester 94 AE Underlever with 16” barrel Used £275-00

.451” Enfield Volunteer Pattern Percussion Rifle by Parker Hale, with bullet mould. ££350-00

.22LR CZ 452 Varmint 11mm dovetail for scope mount Brand new! Walnut stock with heavy 20” screw cut barrel Bolt-action £295-00

.22LR TOZ bolt-action carbine 2 x 5 shot and 2 x 10 shot magazines. Made in the Imperial arsenal at St Petersburg, this smooth, accurate and rugged carbine will astonish the gun snobs. Brand new! £150-00

.17HMR CZ 452 Varmint 11mm dovetail for scope mount Brand new! Walnut stock with heavy 16” screw cut barrel Bolt-action £325-00

Sirocco Sound Moderator for .22”,.17” rifles. Thread ½”UNF Brand new! £25-00 Weight 150 gms Length 171mm Diameter 30mm Black anodised powder coated finish.

See Bill Grint, or ask Mike or Mary.


The Thin Read Line

(26/04/09)

The militaria book store with expert knowledge behind it - no less than Dr Richmond Dutton!



But there's more - so there is....

See The Member's Area if you're a member of Phoenix.

SHOOTING SPORTS SURVEY

(20/04/09)

There has been much discussion over the past year or so about the threats and challenges posed to the shooting sports, and the efficiency or otherwise of the shooting organisations - so if you have a minute, could you possibly let us know your views?

Target Sports is dead, long live TargetShooter!

(1/04/09)

As you may know, "Target Sports" magazine which was published by Blaze Publishing sadly closed last month - but now several of the contributors have got together to produce the web magazine TARGETSHOOTER.

Please have a look - you'll find much of interest - but please remember it's in it's early stages and has been put together at very short notice - so don't be too critical of the or minor error.

The Government don't know....

(2/04/09) update

After an exchange of e-mails and telephone calls, the Home Office have agreed to remove the original publication discussed below and replace it with this second edition.
They have corrected the faulty figures and charts, and perhaps next year we might see a more accurate set of figures produced earlir? We'll see.

(30/3/09)

The Home Office has just produced figures for firearm and shotgun certificates in England and Wales.

In the days of paper, pens and typewriters these figures were produced about 5/8 months after their currency, but we've been waiting for these figures for two years now, and this is the age of I.T !

Embarassingly, the "new" computer system you've paid for cannot tell us how many people own guns legally, nor can it tell what types of gun they are, nor how many of them, nor where they are ..... in fact the quality of information is far poorer.

Not only that, but NO figures AT ALL can be produced for 2006/7, due to the "transition from in-force data collection systems to the NFLMS." (National Firearms Licensing (computer) System.)

It also seems that some of the figures are just plain wrong. Nottinghamshire appeared to have refused one in every five firearm certificates and every other shotgun certificate during 2007/8 - far from believeable.

I've spoken to the Home Office abut the matter and they've published an amended set of figures as a result.

So - the system appears to provide worse data later, rather than better data sooner.

If we law-abiding sports shooters were to take ths approach to recording our guns, we would - quite rightly - be prosecuted.

It's interesting to see that the firm which produced this system - ANITE - has no reference at all to this system on their website - I'm sure if a company had produced an effective national government computer system within budget and on time, they'd be telling the world about it..... ?
Just try a search on their site for NFLMS, Firearms, Firearms Licensing, Firearms computer system, gun - whatever. Perhaps they're just modest.

Anywhere but Bisley

(24/03/09)

It seems that the government are stubbornly determined to stick to their stupidity in having the Olympic Shooting sports at Woolwich, which everyone but the government and LOCOG agree is unsuitable. This is an exerpt from the House of Lords Hansard of 3rd March 2009.

"We remain committed to working with the London Organising Committee of the Olympic Games to enable the shooting events at the 2012 Olympic Games and paralympics to take place at the Royal Artillery Barracks, subject to there being minimal disruption to Army personnel, their families, and to the operation of the barracks." Another thoroughly irritating fact is that the government are determined to bring the games in "on budget" - but since their original estmates were so far out, they're simply going to cut the amounts paid to the sports and their infrastructure.

Pride and Sorrow
(19/04/09)

We are both proud and sad to announce that we are at our membership limit, and will no longer be able to accept new full members.
We WILL keep a waiting list however, and this does NOT preclude anyone wishing to apply for probationary membership - you will still be very welcome.

Ministry of Defence Ranges - the Certification System.

(07/01/09)

We have had quite a number of people contacting us worried about the MoD/NRA "Safe Shooting System" and the certification system.

We appreciate that the information from the NRA at Civilian use of MoD ranges, and Certification is very complex and confusing, but I'm afraid that's what we have to deal with. If you read through the information carefully, you'll be able to work out who requires what sort of certification, and the processess to obtain it.

One thing is absolute - you will NOT be able to shoot on MoD ranges if you do not have a certificate for the type of firearm you'll be using, unless you are supervised on a one-to-one basis.

We've tried to put together a simple guide - see our "Interesting" page under the heading "MoD ranges - things you'll need to know" - bearing in mind this was written for one specific range and club - but it may be of some help to you.

"NOTES FROM THE SECRETARY GENERAL"

(23/12/08)

If you can get a copy of the latest NRA Journal it's well worth reading Glynn Alger's - "Notes from the Secretary General" Here are some selective extracts which may interest you -

"The National Rifle Association was created to promote Marksmanship in the United Kingdom and overseas."

"As such, there was an implicit intention to own ranges nationwide. The NRA never achieved the ambition to host events around the country nor did it make provision to create a national range structure."

"Over time, either because of circumstance or finance, the NRA has failed to meet those original objectives. Instead the National Rifle Association has chosen largely to focus on Bisley and, as a result in more cynical circles is known as the 'Bisley Rifle Club.'"

"Membership is limited by our focus on Bisley, our failure to invest in regional ranges and truly to represent fullbore rifle shooters." "It has to be said that, if we remain where we are, it is likely that the NRA will return to being a failing organisation, the 'Bisley Rifle Club.'

"However,if the NRA does the right things at this point in time, there are great possibilities for target shooting. Those opportunities only exist if we are willing to work closely with other target shooting bodies to create an inclusive and representative sport."


These are brave words, brave admissions, and whilst these are selective quotations from the article, I believe they represent an honest and forthright statement of facts. The whole article is here , and I'd recommend you read it to get the full flavour.

We should support such brave initiatives - I'm sure these statements will not have made friends amongst the reactionaries who believe that Bisley and "TR" are at the centre of the universe - I believe Glynn (and hopefully the rest of the NRA) is absolutely on the right track - and I don't say that lightly.

"A PHOENIX RISES"

(18/11/08)

The November/December edition of the BASC magazine "Shooting & Conservation" has a three-page article headed "A Phoenix Rises" featuring the Geoffrey Place Range (GPR), Mostyn House School, and of course Phoenix Shooters Association.

Mary wrote it just after the opening of the GPR, and we managed to find some interesting old photos of the school shooting on the sands of Parkgate to add spice to the article, as well as photos of the range under construction and in use.

"Shooting & Conservation" has a circulation of over 127,000, so the fame of Phoenix (and Mostyn House School!) has spread.

The conversion of the air raid shelter into the Geoffrey Place Range is largely due to the hard work of Phoenix members who gave their time, energy, expertise, money and support to this project. We have to thank the Friends of Mostyn House for their support and financial help, and most importantly, the keen support of Suzi Grenfell, the headmistress of Mostyn House School.

You can read the three page article here - Page one - Page two and Page three.

This article has been reproduced by kind permission of the
British Association for Shooting and Conservation


NEW SHOOTING ASSOCIATION

(24/9/08)

A new Shooting Association has been formed by ex-members of the Sportsman's Association of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (SAGBNI).
It's called the The National Shooting Association.


Air raid shelter - or shooting range? (28/2/08)

On Wednesday, 27th February 2008 the Geoffrey Place Range at Mostyn House School had its formal opening.

This is the first shooting range to open in the Wirral area for well over fifty years - and it's been built by PSA in partnership with the school. The range has been constructed in the school air-raid shelter which had been used as an indoor sporting facility for some time, but that came to an end due to poor lighting and seepage, leaving it as a store full of rotting equipment and rubbish for many years.

We have tried to retain and renovate some of the artefacts found when we cleared the shelter, such as signs, lighting accessories and a pump, and we've decorated it in the original style and colours, which we hope this will give some idea of the way the shelter must have looked when it was first built.

Our estimate was that it would take between three and four years to clear and prepare the shelter, and to build the range and clubroom but due to the incredible support, hard work and expertise of the members, we opened in less than two years after the start of work, which was in May 2006.